I'm looking for a cheap mirrorless, I will mostly use it for taking pictures while traveling [mostly scenery, some selfies], video recording is not important to me. I have searched around and M10 is recommended by some, so I want to ask if you have experience with this camera.
1. Can M10 take sharp pictures? [I heard many complain that it has problem with focus and takes blurry pictures most of the times]
2. Is it photo quality is better than today flagship smartphones [Huawei P20/30, SS Glx S10, IP X,...]
3. I can buy it new for about $250USD [include lens kit], is it a good buy? Or should I save up and opt for a higher camera?
Thank you!
nnowak • Veteran Member • Posts: 9,271
No and maybe.
In reply to nhphuc92 • Apr 9, 2019
nhphuc92 wrote:Hi guys,
I'm looking for a cheap mirrorless, I will mostly use it for taking pictures while traveling [mostly scenery, some selfies], video recording is not important to me. I have searched around and M10 is recommended by some, so I want to ask if you have experience with this camera.
1. Can M10 take sharp pictures? [I heard many complain that it has problem with focus and takes blurry pictures most of the times]
AF speeds are very slow with this camera which can lead to many missed shots.
2. Is it photo quality is better than today flagship smartphones [Huawei P20/30, SS Glx S10, IP X,...]
With the standard kit lens, the M10 will not really be any better than a phone like the Galaxy S10. The M10 can produce much better photos than a smartphone, but you will need to invest in lenses like the EF-M 22mm f2.0 and EF-M 32mm f1.4
3. I can buy it new for about $250USD [include lens kit], is it a good buy? Or should I save up and opt for a higher camera?
The M100 is a major step up in AF speed, but it will still be using the same kit lens.
What are you planning to do with your photos? Will the photos only be shared online, or do you want to make poster sized prints of the photos? For casual use like the former, stick with a really good smartphone like the S10. The M10 with the kit lens will offer little in the way of image quality improvements and image sharing gets much more complicated. If it is the latter, then you should probably save for the M100 plus some more specialized lenses.
Thank you!
Andy01 • Veteran Member • Posts: 5,364
Re: Should I buy Canon M10 in 2019 or save up for other?
In reply to nhphuc92 • Apr 9, 2019
nhphuc92 wrote:Hi guys,
I'm looking for a cheap mirrorless, I will mostly use it for taking pictures while traveling [mostly scenery, some selfies], video recording is not important to me. I have searched around and M10 is recommended by some, so I want to ask if you have experience with this camera.
1. Can M10 take sharp pictures? [I heard many complain that it has problem with focus and takes blurry pictures most of the times]
May be better to spend a little more on a M100 - much better AF.
2. Is it photo quality is better than today flagship smartphones [Huawei P20/30, SS Glx S10, IP X,...]
Absolutely, especially if you plan to view/print larger than a a mobile device screen or social media. Even advanced smartphone cameras produce great photos for phone screens, average photos for 27" or larger screens and generally quite poor photos when light is not good. With the right lenses even a M10 will beat any of them, and especially so in low light.
3. I can buy it new for about $250USD [include lens kit], is it a good buy? Or should I save up and opt for a higher camera?
No idea, but check out a M100, or used M6/M5.
Thank you!
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Sittatunga • Veteran Member • Posts: 6,138
Re: Should I buy Canon M10 in 2019 or save up for other?
In reply to nhphuc92 • Apr 9, 2019
nhphuc92 wrote:Hi guys,
I'm looking for a cheap mirrorless, I will mostly use it for taking pictures while traveling [mostly scenery, some selfies], video recording is not important to me. I have searched around and M10 is recommended by some, so I want to ask if you have experience with this camera.
1. Can M10 take sharp pictures? [I heard many complain that it has problem with focus and takes blurry pictures most of the times]
2. Is it photo quality is better than today flagship smartphones [Huawei P20/30, SS Glx S10, IP X,...]
3. I can buy it new for about $250USD [include lens kit], is it a good buy? Or should I save up and opt for a higher camera?
Thank you!
I don't know where you're based but I'm quite shocked by the US price of the M100. In Germany it is currently €309 including the 15-45mm zoom and Amazon.co.uk are selling it with that lens for £259. They both make that M10 look overpriced.
OzarkAggie • Senior Member • Posts: 2,153
Re: Should I buy Canon M10 in 2019 or save up for other?
In reply to nhphuc92 • Apr 9, 2019
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nhphuc92 wrote:Hi guys,
I'm looking for a cheap mirrorless, I will mostly use it for taking pictures while traveling [mostly scenery, some selfies], video recording is not important to me. I have searched around and M10 is recommended by some, so I want to ask if you have experience with this camera.
1. Can M10 take sharp pictures? [I heard many complain that it has problem with focus and takes blurry pictures most of the times]
Auto ISO cures most of these problems unless you're in low light. But it's also a relative thing. It's not slower than your phone.
2. Is it photo quality is better than today flagship smartphones [Huawei P20/30, SS Glx S10, IP X,...]
There's sample photos on this site and others. Zoom in and look for noise. That's where most phones fall down.
3. I can buy it new for about $250USD [include lens kit], is it a good buy? Or should I save up and opt for a higher camera? Thank you!
That's a very good price.
Normally I'd say save your money, buy a M100 with the 24 MP sensor - however, you could spend the summer traveling and taking pictures, getting familiar with the form factor and using a real camera, and then in the fall sell the M10 on eBay or Amazon and trade up. You won't lose more than $50 from what I'm seeing.
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Re: Should I buy Canon M10 in 2019 or save up for other?
In reply to nhphuc92 • Apr 10, 2019
The current crop of M cameras [i.e., M5, M6, M100, and M50] are really the first to fully realize the potential of the platform; they're leaps and bounds better than any of the Ms that came before. Even the M50, which is only about a year newer than the other three, is noticeably better in terms of autofocus and noise performance; it's been equated to the 80D in terms of capabilities, and I think that's about right.
Save up for one of the current Ms and/or buy one refurbished if you can. It's worth it.
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007peter • Forum Pro • Posts: 12,934
M1/M2/M3/M10 AF is so-SLOW, you're end up selling it for M100
In reply to nhphuc92 • Apr 10, 2019
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I can't recommend any M1/M2/M3/M10. The AF is god-awfully SLOW and also unreliable. Camera even managed to misfocus on an adult standing right in front of it for 2min. I have to resort to Thumb-Tap-LCD-Screen to "manually" direct camera where to focus. I call this my Thumb-AFsolution with 100% accuracy
Most people here end up selling the older M1/M2/M3/M10 for the superior M100/M50/M5/M6 because of an huge leap in AF accuracy & AF performance. Whatever you choose, you want Canon Dual-CMOS AF.
I think M1/M2/M3/M10 make a good B-Rolled Video Camera using a MF lens, combine with Magic Lantern to unlocks its video feature. But I wouldn't use any of them for Continuous AF requirements.
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OP nhphuc92 • New Member • Posts: 4
Re: Should I buy Canon M10 in 2019 or save up for other?
In reply to Andy01 • Apr 10, 2019
Andy01 wrote:nhphuc92 wrote:Hi guys,
I'm looking for a cheap mirrorless, I will mostly use it for taking pictures while traveling [mostly scenery, some selfies], video recording is not important to me. I have searched around and M10 is recommended by some, so I want to ask if you have experience with this camera.
1. Can M10 take sharp pictures? [I heard many complain that it has problem with focus and takes blurry pictures most of the times]May be better to spend a little more on a M100 - much better AF.
Absolutely, especially if you plan to view/print larger than a a mobile device screen or social media. Even advanced smartphone cameras produce great photos for phone screens, average photos for 27" or larger screens and generally quite poor photos when light is not good. With the right lenses even a M10 will beat any of them, and especially so in low light.
3. I can buy it new for about $250USD [include lens kit], is it a good buy? Or should I save up and opt for a higher camera?No idea, but check out a M100, or used M6/M5.
Thank you!
M100 price is double M10 price from where I live, so a new M100 is over my budget now. Thanks for your opinion, I will check if I can afford a better camera.
OP nhphuc92 • New Member • Posts: 4
Re: Should I buy Canon M10 in 2019 or save up for other?
Sittatunga wrote:nhphuc92 wrote:I don't know where you're based but I'm quite shocked by the US price of the M100. In Germany it is currently €309 including the 15-45mm zoom and Amazon.co.uk are selling it with that lens for £259. They both make that M10 look overpriced.Hi guys,
I'm looking for a cheap mirrorless, I will mostly use it for taking pictures while traveling [mostly scenery, some selfies], video recording is not important to me. I have searched around and M10 is recommended by some, so I want to ask if you have experience with this camera.
1. Can M10 take sharp pictures? [I heard many complain that it has problem with focus and takes blurry pictures most of the times]
2. Is it photo quality is better than today flagship smartphones [Huawei P20/30, SS Glx S10, IP X,...]
3. I can buy it new for about $250USD [include lens kit], is it a good buy? Or should I save up and opt for a higher camera?
Thank you!
I'm from Vietnam and M100 here is about $500, its price's almost double M10, and unfortunately M100 on amazon.uk does not ship to my country.
OP nhphuc92 • New Member • Posts: 4
Re: M1/M2/M3/M10 AF is so-SLOW, you're end up selling it for M100
In reply to 007peter • Apr 10, 2019
007peter wrote:I can't recommend any M1/M2/M3/M10. The AF is god-awfully SLOW and also unreliable. Camera even managed to misfocus on an adult standing right in front of it for 2min. I have to resort to Thumb-Tap-LCD-Screen to "manually" direct camera where to focus. I call this my Thumb-AFsolution with 100% accuracy
Most people here end up selling the older M1/M2/M3/M10 for the superior M100/M50/M5/M6 because of an huge leap in AF accuracy & AF performance. Whatever you choose, you want Canon Dual-CMOS AF.
I think M1/M2/M3/M10 make a good B-Rolled Video Camera using a MF lens, combine with Magic Lantern to unlocks its video feature. But I wouldn't use any of them for Continuous AF requirements.
If I use touch screen to manually chose focus point, can it recognize focus point as fast as smartphones? I do not have many options in where I live, only Canon M10 and Fujifilm XA10 are at the $250 range, the next price range jump to $400 and is over my budget right now.
Sittatunga • Veteran Member • Posts: 6,138
Re: M1/M2/M3/M10 AF is so-SLOW, you're end up selling it for M100
In reply to nhphuc92 • Apr 10, 2019
nhphuc92 wrote:007peter wrote:If I use touch screen to manually chose focus point, can it recognize focus point as fast as smartphones? I do not have many options in where I live, only Canon M10 and Fujifilm XA10 are at the $250 range, the next price range jump to $400 and is over my budget right now.I can't recommend any M1/M2/M3/M10. The AF is god-awfully SLOW and also unreliable. Camera even managed to misfocus on an adult standing right in front of it for 2min. I have to resort to Thumb-Tap-LCD-Screen to "manually" direct camera where to focus. I call this my Thumb-AFsolution with 100% accuracy
Most people here end up selling the older M1/M2/M3/M10 for the superior M100/M50/M5/M6 because of an huge leap in AF accuracy & AF performance. Whatever you choose, you want Canon Dual-CMOS AF.
I think M1/M2/M3/M10 make a good B-Rolled Video Camera using a MF lens, combine with Magic Lantern to unlocks its video feature. But I wouldn't use any of them for Continuous AF requirements.
That's generally how I use my M10, with touch release and evaluative metering so that the shutter releases as soon as the camera has focussed, with the metering heavily biassed to the focus point.
So many options - but yes, the M10 is a marvelous...
In reply to nhphuc92 • Apr 10, 2019
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...camera, IMO. I had the M10 for a year and a half. It was always a joy to use. It had an excellent color tonality, handled well [felt great in the hands], and although it looked simple on its exterior [very few knobs and buttons], there were quite a few options in the menu system.
The only reason I sold mine was because eventually I moved on to the M100 - which is also a superb camera. I was going to keep the M10, but then I would up not using it much because of the M100 and M50. But I must admit that color tonality-wise, I preferred the color output a "tad" [ever so slightly] better than its successor, the M100. However, like any other camera, the weakest link will be the quality of the copy of the lens you attach. The M10 always came with the 15-45 and as you may have seen already, the copy-to-copy variation levels were quite high with this optic.
Look, you have many, many choices from which to select out there - to include the newer [current] models. However, IMO, if you come across a new M10 at a superb price, there should be no hesitation to pounce on it - provided it can be had for a steal.
Here are some shots showcasing [I think] the color output of the M10:
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